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I never got any money from you

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UFO one just as well stand for

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unprecedented Financial opportunity

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be normal

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine Concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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Justified no belief no debunking today

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it's another installment of the zine

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scene this time looking at the apro

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bulletin from

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1972 and we are back after an extra week

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between episodes for among other things

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Thanksgiving and also illness my second

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sinus infection of the season so far

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it's uh it's gonna be a bad season for

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those I think still

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um not feeling great throat wise so

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we'll see how this goes so let's jump in

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to appro

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we've talked about apro a few times over

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the years or at least we've talked about

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its sort of leading lights Jim and coral

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Lorenson Jim and Carl Lorenson

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established apro in the early 1950s 1950

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or 1951 and coral Lorenson claimed that

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she had a UFO sighting as a child in the

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1930s she got interested in the topic

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again in the 1940s when that whole UFO

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and very quickly in 19 the early 1950s

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the lorensons established themselves as

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being highly organized and highly driven

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and highly interested in investigating

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all kinds of UFO sightings and all kinds

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of various encounters lots of

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Correspondence and information and

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stories and sightings from from their

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people all over the world it was in the

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pages of of the apro bulletin that we

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first hear the story of

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um Antonio uh velas Boaz who had that

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strange encounter with that strange

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woman or woman shaped creature and that

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that saucer with the strange animal-like

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sounds and so forth and apro you know

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aerial phenomena oh I should say what

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research organization so there we go so

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they overlapped and and there's a sort

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of natural desire I think to compare the

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two organizations and the best way I can

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do that and that's sort of the best

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flawed and I I realize that but I I

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reveal everything it knew about the

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flying saucers because clearly the

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saucers and apro seemed to be more

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flying saucers were and and that is a

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apra is the fact that in the April

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bulletin you see all kinds of encounters

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and you see Jim and Carl Lawrence and

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giving lots of time to encounters that

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are kind of strange and OB like not just

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objects but strange people and their

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book Flying Saucer occupants which we

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of sort of bears that out they are

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willing to entertain stories of deeply

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strange things and nicap just from

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everything I've seen of their materials

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role that it's sort of pioneering role

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woman in the UFO field it was it was run

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um of the uh of the the bulletin um you

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but uh Coral was the secretary treasurer

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voice of the organization was was hers

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the international director so uh Coral I

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general about uh about this when there's

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ufology that's ever been published so

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she's not given the recognition she uh

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she's so richly deserves so that's just

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headline Enquirer offers fifty thousand

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announced their sponsorship of a fifty

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William dick reads a reward of fifty

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thousand dollars will be paid by The

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phenomenon what if it's from outer space

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supplying the judges or the I don't know

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doing the final judging it's uh apro

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encouraging all members and subscribers

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to forward any news leads pertaining to

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possible good evidence reports to afro

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headquarters they're interested in case

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of Photography physical evidence ground

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markings multiple Witnesses

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for the award you must make claim in

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the the contest or the challenge or

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whatever you want to call it the Bounty

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they're going to be using their field

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investigators to sort of check up on

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these things but they also want

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researchers and subscribers to send in

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to appro even though you have to send it

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to qualify for the award so

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is is apro trying to get a bunch of

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really good cases and maybe win the

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want people to send things to approach

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but then say Oh but for the reward you

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have to send it to the National Enquirer

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but it's it's an interesting thing and I

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will um I'm going to predict that uh

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nobody's gonna get that fifty thousand

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dollars okay now let's let's go to the

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the big headline close-up sighting in

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New Jersey it was investigated by a Hal

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redner one of apro's New Jersey field

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watching the TV and something catches

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his attention there's a bright series of

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big about 60 feet across it hung

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a name just white the blocks of light

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bottom it was it was tilted the

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portholes began to rotate like a bicycle

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chain going around the middle of the

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so the supervisors the supervisors come

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outside and they're looking at it too

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and the object at that point had moved

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hundred off the ground it's still tilted

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portholes when it was stationary at

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realize that the belt of light as it

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spun around was was not solid it looked

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like just a continuous belt of light uh

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clear moon was visible there was no

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sound from the object

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um he called the police and reported the

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sighting he's Aguilar has taken a lot of

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kidding and criticism he says from his

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friends but he was happy to be contacted

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by apro investigator redner so hopefully

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there will be some follow-up in this I

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that's it's neat when you see like what

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looks like an engine spinning up for it

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to fly off into the air or something

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appro is also getting into the computer

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as of February 15th apros project comcat

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computerized catalog of UFO reports went

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into preliminary operation a sizable

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donation by an appro member has provided

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the financial means by which apro has

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hired additional office Personnel so

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that efforts can be concentrated on

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microfilming the report files the files

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will be filmed in duplicate one copy of

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the film will go to a librarian for

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cross-referencing and the other to a

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team of computer Specialists who will

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transfer the information to punch cards

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as the filing is done specific reports

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will be pulled copied and forwarded to

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the appropriate consultant we expect

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that these efforts will yield positive

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results within the next three months we

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would like to urge those who have

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reports which have not been submitted to

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apro to forward same at the earliest

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possible opportunity so that they can be

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included in this important study

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[Music]

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you may be expecting some snark at Punch

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Cards but it's 1972. this is actually

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pretty cool that they are that they are

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doing this that they're sort of

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coming up with a system to more

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efficiently catalog and and sort of

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distribute reports to the Consultants

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who might need to be working on them

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speaking of Consultants they have

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brought on two more Consultants here at

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the beginning of 1972.

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um there's really only one that is uh

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probably known to most of us and he is

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going to be the new apro consultant in

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Mr Jacobs received a ba in history from

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the University of California Los Angeles

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in 1966 and an M.A in history from the

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University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1968.

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he is now a PhD candidate in history at

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the University of Wisconsin and should

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graduate in 1972. his field of specialty

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is the social cultural and intellectual

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history of the United States his

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doctoral thesis is entitled the

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controversy over unidentified flying

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objects in America

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1896-1970 which is a discussion of the

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historical cultural and psychological

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aspects besides having been a teaching

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assistant at the University of

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Wisconsin's history Department Mr Jacobs

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has received various scholarships

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including a Ford Foundation research

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Fellowship he is a member of the

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organization of American historians as

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described elsewhere in this issue Mr

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Jacobs is one of four graduate students

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who have utilized the UFO subject as a

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basis for a dissertation his studies on

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social interactions in the history of

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UFO sightings will be an asset to apro

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yes that is David Jacobs the future Dr

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David Jacobs getting his uh getting a

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start before he's even done with grad

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school uh working for apro or Consulting

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for apro and uh and giving them some

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historical perspective that is a very

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good use of his skills background and

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talents I think the last thing to sort

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of mention in this issue because we got

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five more to get through if we do we

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might uh we might we might not do all

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six it honestly depends on my throat at

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this point but at the very end of the

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newsletter after a very long review of a

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fairly boring book called these UFOs the

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scientists dilemma by Horace Dudley who

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is a professor of radiation physics at

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the University of Illinois Chicago

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and the consultant to apro on radiation

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physics um after that there is a a sort

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of non-type set just sort of typewriter

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note it at the end our apologies for the

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lateness of this issue an IBM

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typesetting machine refused to work

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properly and then the editor became ill

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so I'm imagining you know this sort of

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2001 Space Odyssey style IBM type

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setting machine saying I'm afraid I

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can't do that Coral you know when she's

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trying to to get this uh this newsletter

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out

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all right the March and April 1972 issue

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of the April bulletin kicks off with a

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multiple witness case in Californians

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comes to us from a field investigator

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William M Murphy uh the four teenage

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boys only one of whom Daryl Rich who's

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16 gave permission to use his name

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although the names of all the boys

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appeared in the Press stories but I

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guess those boys didn't want their name

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in the apro bulletin or their parents

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didn't want their name in the apro

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bulletin so here is the uh here's the

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the four youths were driving to another

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friend's house in Anderson California at

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9 00 pm on January 19 1972 when they

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observed what they described as a bright

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oval blue white light across the road

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ahead of their car there was a low

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overcast estimated at 400 feet the light

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did not pulsate or Flicker and it

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crossed as fast as a jet and had our

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telephone pole Heights said Daryl Rich

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the light source made no sound The

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Observers could discern and they

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estimated its distance to be about 120

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to 150 feet ahead of them they also

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estimated it to be six feet high and

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three feet wide it was very bright Rich

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told apra's field investigator and

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lighted the countryside in the inside of

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our car

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Mr Murphy states that no other reports

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of the light were made although there

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are widely scattered houses in the area

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after the observation the youths two of

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whom are brothers 14 and 16 and one

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other one aged 15 parked near the Battle

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Creek Bridge and started to cross a

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field to the creek when they heard A

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peculiar Screech and saw a tall figure

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running from them in a stooped position

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the boys claimed the figure only 30 feet

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away when the first scene was brown or

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green with no hair but lumps all over

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his body some have proposed that the

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youths were planning an illegal salmon

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tank and that a game warden scared the

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boys away the boys immediately left the

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area took a wrong turn on their way home

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and drove through a sparsely populated

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area along this deserted Road they claim

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they saw three orange balls in the sky

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which followed their car and flare type

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flashes both ahead and behind them after

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a while two of the orange balls touched

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and as they did so the third one

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reportedly flew up and disappeared into

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the overcast the other two ascended more

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slowly and faded out of sight the youths

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claimed the orange balls were as big as

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basketballs held at arm's length they

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believed them to be about one half mile

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distant later they claimed that yet

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another light blew white and oval paced

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now Daryl's father Dean Rich

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um he didn't believe the boys at first

441
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and I think I know where he's coming

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from there's a lot going on in the story

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with various

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balls and blumpy men running around but

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uh he went out to the scene with uh with

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with the boys one of the boys didn't

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want to go back Daddy uh daddy rich took

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along a pistol and noticed that and

449
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notified the police department who was

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there and the police department called

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the Shasta County Sheriff's Office and

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so there was a patrol car out there and

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nobody saw or heard anything unusual but

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uh Mr Dean owns a welding shop and is a

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respected businessman plans to run for

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city council and he's a pilot

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um Murphy conducted a thorough

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investigation which included inspection

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of the ground where the humanoid side

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took place nothing abnormal was there

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um

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Coral says quote one must accept the

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word of the boys or label the incidents

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as a hoax Mr Murphy concludes neither

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the paper reporters nor I nor the boy's

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parents nor local ranchers think it is a

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put on end quote well it's not a put on

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so that's good but I don't know it's a

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it's a weird story it seems to have a

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lot of different uh a lot of different

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elements you've got the humanoid

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sighting but you got uh flying things in

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the air at the same time you don't see

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the flying things land where the lumpy

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guy could have gotten off it's

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it's interesting but it's it's a fun

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story although it does kind of sound

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like the kind of story some kids would

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make up I don't know I'm I'm being a

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little a little dismissive but I'm sure

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if I was in a field with my friends and

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we saw a brown and or a green hairless

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lumpy guy running around

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um I'd be irritated of some podcaster uh

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40 years later said that uh I was 50

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shoot 50 years later said that I was uh

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making it up all right we've got a

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slight update on The Inquirer reward

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panel

490
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um it's not really much of a uh much of

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an update it uh basically just

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reiterates what was said in the last

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issue but it includes a great picture of

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the the apro UFO proof award judging

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panel you got the the whole crew there

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you've got

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um you got uh jail and heineck there

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looking like Jay Alan heineck you got

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Leo sprinkle looking remarkably like his

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weekly world news headshot

501
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um you've got Jim Lorenson off at one

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end sort of presiding over things kind

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of perched at the corner of the table

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not really looking like uh they set a

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seat for him because they got to get

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everybody on one side of the table for

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the photo I will try to remember to

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throw this out on social media so you

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can see this this photo that is I think

510
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very clearly staged but they're

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desperately trying to to not make it uh

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make it look staged there's another fun

513
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citing report in this issue but I also

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thought it'd be interesting for you to

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to get sort of a an idea of the network

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of of Consultants that apro I mean not

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employed but

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um you know sort of worked with we've

519
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got uh Aeronautics astronomy

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astrophysics civil engineering computer

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technology electrical engineering

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electrical engineering elect of three

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electrical engineers

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um geochemistry geology Metallurgy

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another Metallurgy oceanography Optics

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physics radiation physics seismology

527
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Anatomy biochemistry biology this sounds

528
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like Sally struther selling you an

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at-home job training kit doesn't it uh

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biophysics exobiology medicine

531
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physiology zoology VCR repair history

532
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Linguistics Gunsmithing philosophy

533
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Psychiatry and religion

534
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,659
um some of those weren't real

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00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,940
um probably the ones you can you can

536
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,740
imagine I had the Sally Struthers

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00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,960
commercial in my head for some reason

538
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:08,880
um the uh we mentioned the the

539
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consultant in history already uh David

540
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Jacobs but also very interesting is the

541
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consultant in religion that's Robert S

542
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:19,260
Elwood PhD religious study scholar who

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did a lot of work

544
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,539
over the course of his career on um on

545
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uh contact ease especially in the UFO

546
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field and other other new uh new

547
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religions

548
00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:33,539
um very very uh quality scholar and

549
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:35,100
don't let anybody tell you that

550
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,840
religious study Scholars looking at the

551
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,880
UFO field is something that only started

552
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,440
happening in the last five years or

553
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:41,940
something it's something that's been

554
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:45,240
there for as you can tell about 50 years

555
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,260
so not uh not a new thing and if you can

556
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,360
get a hold of Elwood's uh any of

557
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:53,760
Elwood's writings there they're very

558
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:56,760
good so there is one more

559
00:24:06,950 --> 00:23:59,340
um sort of case in here and this is from

560
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,350
the witness Mr Daniel loretz who

561
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:11,400
operates a radio and TV store at tourney

562
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:13,980
is 63 years old he has been a voluntary

563
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:16,980
fireman since 1937 and has run his local

564
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,440
fire department since 1949. the

565
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,200
observation took place on March 18 1972

566
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,140
at 9 25 PM local time as he was driving

567
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:27,600
by a field returning home where he had

568
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,280
from where he had left his car repaired

569
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:31,679
Mr Lawrence's own words translated

570
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:34,200
described the incident I was driving by

571
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,059
Renault 6 when I saw a dark object

572
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,400
coming from the sky right toward me I

573
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,840
immediately stopped the car and the

574
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:41,520
object landed practically vertically in

575
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,520
a field about 150 meters away it was

576
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,620
oval in shape dark and stood about two

577
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,900
meters in height in the front were two

578
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,640
pale lights coming from two portholes

579
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:53,039
which were directed toward the ground in

580
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,419
the rear was a red light of low

581
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,640
intensity about 30 seconds after the

582
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,679
landing the lights blinked out and it

583
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:01,080
made a noise like a large tractor this

584
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,299
created a strong impression on me and I

585
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,520
hastily departed in my car but I had

586
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
trouble in making it go the the engine

587
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:09,360
is almost new but it coughed for several

588
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,460
meters before running normally the next

589
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,620
day I returned to the same place but the

590
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:15,720
field had been plowed and all traces had

591
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,149
alright so we've got a craft we've got

592
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:25,799
the craft landing and we've got the

593
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,159
craft potentially interfering with the

594
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,960
operation of a car this is this is

595
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:33,000
classic stuff and this isn't coming from

596
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:34,620
four high school kids running around in

597
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,659
the field this is coming from you know

598
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,120
an older gentleman who is who is a

599
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:41,760
business owner and runs a volunteer fire

600
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:45,000
department now

601
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:49,080
um the April bulletin does note that at

602
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,000
this time little is known about The

603
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:53,460
credibility of the witness and it's he's

604
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,220
the only witness to anything but uh

605
00:26:01,610 --> 00:25:59,520
apres man in France is on the case and

606
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,620
will provide further information when it

607
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,960
is available all right that's it's the

608
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,580
end of the March April issue there's

609
00:26:09,169 --> 00:26:07,200
there's all kinds of great stuff in

610
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,179
these things and uh you can find these

611
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,299
by the way on uh the the archives for

612
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,120
The Unexplained website their repository

613
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,880
of newsletters and magazines and other

614
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:20,159
things that have been that have been

615
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,159
scanned and I will I will note that the

616
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,440
PDFs that they have up there I think

617
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:27,539
Isaac Coy somebody calling themself

618
00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:30,840
Isaac Coy is uh is involved with this um

619
00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:33,779
the scanning that they do is is really

620
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,179
high quality and it is sort of the sort

621
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:38,460
of ocr'd scanning you know optical

622
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:40,919
character recognition so it's not just a

623
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,559
picture of a page it is uh it's got text

624
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:45,840
this red recognizable you can cut and

625
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,539
paste it it's uh it's very handy and

626
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:50,880
search it it's searchable as well and

627
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:55,080
unsearchable PDFs are quite honestly one

628
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:58,740
of the Banes of my existence all right

629
00:27:02,510 --> 00:26:59,340
um

630
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:02,520
boy time flies let's take a break and uh

631
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,679
we'll talk about the feedback to uh to

632
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,020
our last episode and uh do the usual

633
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:09,900
Midway break stuff and then we will jump

634
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,539
into the spring and summer actually the

635
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:15,840
summer of 1972.

636
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,190
[Music]

637
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:24,179
next time

638
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,380
um

639
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,720
I'm not sure it's a it's a contact e oh

640
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:29,940
oh oh oh oh I know which contact the it

641
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,080
is it is John Dean no not the White

642
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,779
House Council under Richard Nixon it's a

643
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,940
different John Dean

644
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,380
um

645
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,299
although I should do an episode about

646
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,159
John Dean the White House counsel during

647
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:46,200
the Nixon Administration that'd be fun

648
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:48,360
this week on the saucer saucer life

649
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,720
Watergate uh no we won't do that now if

650
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,039
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660
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,500
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661
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669
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:40,260
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670
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671
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673
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674
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,720
484-80 and we've got some feedback and

675
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:57,120
questions and things from our uh our

676
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:58,860
previous episode

677
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,159
um some patrons uh first Laura says the

678
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,620
Janus people episode ruined me because

679
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:06,240
now whenever there is a story about

680
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:08,820
interplanetary travel I am disappointed

681
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:12,299
by the lack of barbecues seriously

682
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,340
though great episode well thank you

683
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,100
Laura and and yeah it's once once you

684
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:20,100
get the um the sort of Lakeside speed

685
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,820
boat barbecue scene from the Janus

686
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:25,799
people uh into your brain it's it's

687
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,580
really hard to um to sort of yeah it is

688
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,740
it is a little disappointing that uh

689
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:33,539
there weren't other contacty stories

690
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:34,440
that got

691
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:37,740
quite that Suburban there were ones that

692
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,179
were more bizarre there are ones that

693
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,520
are more sort of outlandish there are

694
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,200
ones that are more realistic but I don't

695
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,020
think there are any that are more

696
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:48,779
comfy and and sort of

697
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,039
sort of middle class comfyish yeah uh

698
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:55,200
also from patreon uh Caleb says Birdman

699
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,480
Birdman from Uranus sounds like an adult

700
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,580
film starring some guy named Rod Biggs

701
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,559
who wears a birdman costume from the old

702
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:04,559
cartoon throughout the entire romp

703
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,600
um I remember in college uh Cartoon

704
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,840
Network showed the old Birdman cartoon

705
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:12,000
um every afternoon and and me and my

706
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,039
friends were really into watching the

707
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,919
old Birdman cartoon and I I really

708
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,240
enjoyed when they brought it back as a

709
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:20,580
harvey Birdman attorney at law that was

710
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,440
always a lot of fun

711
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,720
Vincent treewell says uh hope so

712
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,580
apparently the Trope that aliens and

713
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,320
future humans will operate as a space

714
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:30,720
Navy goes back almost a century this

715
00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:32,220
could serve as a prototype for so many

716
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:33,480
narratives including Star Trek

717
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:35,940
Battlestar Galactica Etc not to mention

718
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:38,100
countless contact the encounters it

719
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:39,960
seems Planetary Exploration always

720
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:43,080
follows a roughly U.S Navy model as

721
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:44,820
opposed to corporate Democratic gangster

722
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,640
religious group academic Etc interesting

723
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,340
yeah I don't know if if

724
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:51,919
um if that's because

725
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,140
it's you've got ships right and so when

726
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,480
you think of ships and large groups of

727
00:31:03,169 --> 00:30:59,820
ships I think most people's minds go to

728
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,179
sort of a a naval model

729
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:05,520
um but yeah it does seem it does seem

730
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,080
kind of interesting even the the most

731
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:09,299
peace loving space Brothers seem to

732
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:13,260
operate in terms of um of of fleets with

733
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,260
with ranks and hierarchies and and

734
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:19,080
things like that doc Pinko says I'm

735
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:20,279
beginning to think that all these guys

736
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,380
like Eugene Drake are plagiarizing horny

737
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,120
Nazis

738
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:28,080
um yeah I think that's a um a good a

739
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,340
good call

740
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:31,980
on Twitter the walking dad said it's a

741
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:33,480
good name the walking dad says on the

742
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,460
gene Drake episode and science fiction

743
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,679
having promises flying cars flying cars

744
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:39,240
exists that are quite common depending

745
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:40,860
on where you live they're just very

746
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:44,039
expensive they're called helicopters

747
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,679
I never thought of it like that but they

748
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:48,480
certainly are

749
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:52,260
um some uh Frank on Facebook says I'm a

750
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,820
little struck by the similarities of

751
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,340
their spaceships to those of Dune in

752
00:32:00,350 --> 00:31:58,260
both cases huge cylindrical ships are

753
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,360
transported long distances by the power

754
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,700
of the mind of the pilot in Drake's case

755
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,320
the captain of the ship making the ship

756
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:06,779
ethereal in Dune the guild Navigators

757
00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:09,840
warping space probably no connection but

758
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,059
interesting yeah I had not put that

759
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:14,340
together Frank until I read your comment

760
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,899
and it is very interesting that kind of

761
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:20,820
um that kind of of connection that kind

762
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:24,659
of parallel because it's it's very sort

763
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:27,240
of unexpected uh there's

764
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,059
um a doctor whose story from 1980

765
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:32,520
Warriors gate which is totally

766
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,200
underrated

767
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:37,919
um where there is a um a sort of a sort

768
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:41,039
of time traveling ship that is only

769
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,580
operated by um by the use of the these

770
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:46,380
sort of sentient creatures who are time

771
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:48,299
sensitive who are hooked into the

772
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,799
Machinery they're enslaved and hooked

773
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,500
into the Machinery so again sort of this

774
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:55,140
organic element making the whole thing

775
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,299
the whole thing run

776
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:00,720
over at saucerlife.com uh red pill

777
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:02,940
junkie says Drake's explanation of

778
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:04,620
astrolon's powers feels awfully

779
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,840
reminiscent of Dr occult an early

780
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,520
precursor to modern day superheroes

781
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,260
which was created by Siegel and Schuster

782
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:12,659
before they came up with Superman back

783
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,519
in those days as Jeffrey kreipel

784
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,080
explains in his Incredible Book mutants

785
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,779
and Mystics I haven't read it uh yet uh

786
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,220
superpowers were derived from what he

787
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,620
calls orientation a reference to strange

788
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,480
supernatural abilities cultivated in

789
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,179
secret societies in the mystical lands

790
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,399
of the Orient instead of alienation as

791
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,140
in the case of Superman a native from

792
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,539
the Planet Krypton Dr occult had the

793
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:35,460
ability to change his size to become a

794
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:37,260
giant and also to travel through the

795
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,000
astral plane to distant locations

796
00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:41,880
perhaps Eugene Drake was a secret comic

797
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,899
book fan

798
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,120
it wouldn't surprise me

799
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:47,640
um comic books used to be popular and

800
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:48,659
you can say well look at the movies

801
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:50,760
they're popular now yeah comic books

802
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,340
really haven't been they've never been

803
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:55,080
as popular as they were in the 30s and

804
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,100
40s

805
00:34:02,690 --> 00:33:58,440
um if sales numbers are to be believed

806
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,700
so Drake influenced by by comic books I

807
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,799
think it's it's absolutely

808
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,080
um absolutely possible

809
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:09,599
and uh finally another comment over at

810
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:12,540
saucerlife.com from Matthew Drake

811
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,599
included one Alonzo Mathewson in his

812
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,760
acknowledgments of life on other planets

813
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:19,679
He's listed as the astronomer of a king

814
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:21,720
who died 130 years before the book was

815
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,940
published impressive if true the only

816
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,679
other reference for Mr matthewson I

817
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,899
could find online relates to a book by

818
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:30,419
Helen Butler Wells a medium who claimed

819
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,980
to receive and dictate messages from

820
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,720
Saturn and more Earthly historical

821
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:36,000
figures I wonder if both Drake and Wells

822
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,859
ever crossed paths and if going down

823
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,720
this Rabbit Hole has drawn my sanity

824
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,720
into question well I wouldn't be doing

825
00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,000
my job with the show if I wasn't sending

826
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:47,940
some of you down some pretty awful

827
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,700
rabbit holes that will that will sort of

828
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:53,760
make you question your sanity thanks for

829
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:56,520
the uh the great feedback on our um on

830
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,619
our Drake episode our YouTube Drake

831
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,599
episode I almost said Frank Drake that's

832
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:02,880
a different Drake who um had things to

833
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:05,460
say about space and I think now it is

834
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:09,240
time to get back to apro with May and

835
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:21,250
all right May and June 1972 starts off

836
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,720
with updates on the French Landing case

837
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:26,940
further information has come out there's

838
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:30,420
been an investigation by the gepa which

839
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,280
is the study group on aerial phenomenon

840
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:35,160
obviously that is a French acronym and

841
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,099
it doesn't say uh what that acronym

842
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,920
stands for in French but their uh their

843
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,960
newsletter the gepa's newsletter is

844
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,460
called the it's called phenomenal

845
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,079
special

846
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:48,240
that that's my terrible French uh French

847
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:50,579
pronunciation of things uh phenomenous

848
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,640
Spacey Ox is is how it's uh how it's

849
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:56,220
spelled uh French people don't uh don't

850
00:36:02,450 --> 00:35:59,820
laugh at me too much so it they sort of

851
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,460
recap the case and

852
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:05,760
um it uh it sort of goes on to to say

853
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:08,700
that um he didn't get as much of a

854
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,119
close-up view as he he wanted to and it

855
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,160
was dark but he does think what he

856
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,079
reported initially is what he actually

857
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:19,920
saw on follow-up questioning and from

858
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,920
what everybody in the area says he is a

859
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:25,140
reliable person a an upstanding citizen

860
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:29,339
and a probably an honest witness and

861
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,480
um that's about all they have so it's

862
00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:35,760
not much of an update but

863
00:36:42,250 --> 00:36:37,859
um just a little more a little more sort

864
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,260
of follow-up to that we also have some

865
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:45,599
reporting instructions from

866
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:50,460
the apro the appro leadership to field

867
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:53,820
investigations and this has to do with

868
00:37:04,130 --> 00:36:57,119
the micro filming and the the comcat

869
00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:06,290
preparing the appro report files for

870
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:08,040
microfilming has demonstrated how

871
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,780
important it is for persons submitting

872
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:11,640
UFO reports to approach to follow

873
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:14,579
certain guidelines approach provides UFO

874
00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:16,200
report forms to those persons who

875
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:18,359
request them those persons who wish to

876
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,859
describe their observations in the form

877
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:21,420
of written testimonies should do so

878
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:23,579
separately from correspondence and

879
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:25,740
membership forms if reports are

880
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,780
contained in letters to apro Xerox

881
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:29,760
copies have to be made one copy for the

882
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,380
correspondence files and the other

883
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:33,900
further report files this is added work

884
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,839
and expense for appro likewise persons

885
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,400
who mail press clippings to approach

886
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,260
should Mount them on full sheets with

887
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:42,359
glue Scotch tape or Staples for filing

888
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,579
if all members did this it would save an

889
00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:46,800
enormous amount of work on the part of

890
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:47,740
appro staff

891
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,569
if you marks are going to do unpaid

892
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:55,680
labor for us we want you to do it very

893
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,240
carefully into these exact

894
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:00,960
specifications I mean I I get it I I get

895
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,820
why they want to do that yes having a

896
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:04,560
bunch of loose newspaper clippings fall

897
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,839
out of an envelope at you would be

898
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,119
annoying having to make extra copies

899
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:12,000
would be annoying and this is 1972.

900
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,740
xeroxing is not uh is not cheap in 1972

901
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:18,599
and some of you out there are probably

902
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,060
too young to remember the word Xerox

903
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,940
that that's not true I've seen uh some

904
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:26,099
demographic samples and

905
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,579
um many of you are around my age so no

906
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:32,880
well remember xeroxes

907
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:36,180
um oh this is interesting apro nycap

908
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:46,550
on May 26 1972 Mr Stuart Nixon executive

909
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,119
director of the national investigations

910
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:51,119
committee on aerial phenomenon nycap of

911
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:53,099
Washington DC was in Tucson for a

912
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:54,599
two-day round of discussions with the

913
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:57,000
Opera staff although Mr Richard

914
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:58,859
Greenwell apro assistant director

915
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,800
visited nycap in 1970 and Mrs Coral

916
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:03,599
Lawrence and apro secretary visited

917
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,060
their office in 1971. this is the first

918
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,920
time that a nicap staff member has

919
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,380
visited apro headquarters Mr Nixon's

920
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,300
visit came at a time when apero nycap

921
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,460
relations had improved considerably and

922
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,079
it is expected that relations will

923
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:18,119
improve further as a consequence of his

924
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:20,220
visit the main topics which were

925
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:21,720
discussed related to improving field

926
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,420
investigation of UFO incidents improving

927
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:26,280
apronicap coordination in such

928
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,440
investigations and the general future of

929
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:30,660
UFO research and the roles which the two

930
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,760
organizations will play in it a first

931
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:34,619
step toward closer cooperation will be

932
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:37,140
taken shortly as a result of Mr Nixon's

933
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:39,000
visit and this will be announced in the

934
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:45,290
I bet you thought the most important

935
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,079
trip taken in 1972 by someone named

936
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:51,960
Nixon was President Nixon going to China

937
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:53,820
to meet with mount saitung

938
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:56,520
he would be so wrong because this is so

939
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:57,900
much bigger this is bigger than Nixon

940
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:01,200
going to China this is bigger than the

941
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:03,240
arms negotiation uh limitation

942
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:06,540
negotiations with Brezhnev this is huge

943
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,200
this is apro and nicap talking to each

944
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:12,780
other and you'll notice that uh

945
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,780
there's no uh there's no major

946
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:16,800
um

947
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:19,260
uh Keyhole I almost said major Ed Dames

948
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:20,760
good Lord

949
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:23,339
um the uh the the the cold medicine is

950
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:24,420
really sort of

951
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,140
taking its Soul there's no major Kehoe

952
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:30,720
the Stuart Nixon is uh is there nycap

953
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,940
had gone through uh gone through some

954
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,200
changes

955
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:36,480
um but uh it's it's interesting because

956
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,720
this is set up as it reads like you know

957
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,520
this is they're breaking the Diplomatic

958
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:43,740
ice and you know although there had been

959
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:46,859
previous visits in 1970 in 1971 this

960
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:49,500
time nycap came to us

961
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:52,740
um it's really interesting I I need to

962
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,380
do more on sort of the history of nycap

963
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,839
and and see what might have prompted

964
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,180
this uh I need to do an icap episode

965
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,339
actually but

966
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:05,280
um I I kind of wanted my cap wasn't long

967
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:08,579
for the world in the early 1970s so I

968
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:09,480
wonder if

969
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,640
if there was some sort of merger being

970
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,920
talked about in some way I'm sure

971
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:16,260
somebody out there will have some

972
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:18,660
insight into all that because there are

973
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:21,060
some real nycap Scholars out there uh

974
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:23,160
which Speaking of which a cheap plug if

975
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:25,260
you haven't read my friend Jack Brewer's

976
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,339
book

977
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,280
um Wayward Sons about the early history

978
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:32,240
of nycap and the involvement of the CIA

979
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,060
with some aspects of the the founding of

980
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:38,640
nycap be sure to check that out uh that

981
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,440
book is so good that I don't feel like I

982
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,420
need to do a nightcap episode because

983
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:44,700
you know Jack's got it covered now

984
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,240
there's not a lot of other really

985
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:50,040
interesting stuff in this issue because

986
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:54,960
about oh gosh about half of the no fully

987
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,859
half of the uh of the the yeah little

988
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:00,780
man not maybe not quite half

989
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,640
um it's a total of nine pages Pages six

990
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,160
seven eight nine almost half are taken

991
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,560
up with a review of Jay Allen heineck's

992
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,079
book the UFO experience which I mean is

993
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:14,880
totally appropriate because it is an

994
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:17,700
amazing sort of groundbreaking book by a

995
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,700
guy who was on the absolute inside of

996
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:22,920
these uh of these Air Force

997
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:25,800
investigations and it's a you know legit

998
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:28,140
scientist to boot but it does tend to

999
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:31,380
push out other other news and and

1000
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:35,640
strange strange stories so that is where

1001
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:39,060
we'll end May and June 1972. let's take

1002
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:42,060
a look at July and August now the big

1003
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:43,980
headline at the top of the front page is

1004
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:48,119
spectacular report from Kansas and this

1005
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:52,859
is a case from August 19th of 1972 and

1006
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:54,839
the principal witness is Paul Carter

1007
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,780
officer Paul Carver Carter of the Colby

1008
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,480
Kansas Police Department there have been

1009
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,359
UFO activity in the general area which

1010
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:05,700
is Northwestern Texas for two weeks

1011
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,079
before he had his experience but he had

1012
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,000
um he had an encounter

1013
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,880
um of his own he was out on patrol when

1014
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:17,160
a man called in from gem Township to

1015
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,800
report a UFO he was very disturbed and

1016
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:21,660
about 10 minutes after that report comes

1017
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:25,140
in officer Carter is patrolling on

1018
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,740
Highway 24 when he saw an object

1019
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,240
sporting alternately flashing red and

1020
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:33,060
green lights directly ahead of him at

1021
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:34,500
approximately two to three hundred feet

1022
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:42,589
Carter turned South and headed out of

1023
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,520
town toward Interstate 70 pacing the

1024
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:46,440
object at about 50 to 60 miles per hour

1025
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,780
he stopped at the overpass whereupon the

1026
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,880
object which was ahead of him swung back

1027
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:53,579
over I-70 and came to a stop over a

1028
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,980
pasture east of Carter's Car Carter was

1029
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:57,900
parked so that the car was Facing East

1030
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,839
and he got a good look as the object red

1031
00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:02,880
and green lights flashing blotted out

1032
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,579
stars and some of the terrain he clearly

1033
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,260
see a Terrace in the field in front of

1034
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:09,599
the object between his car and it but a

1035
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:11,220
Terrace on the far side of it as well as

1036
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,020
the telephone poles which he should have

1037
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,839
been able to see were not visible just

1038
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,280
as the objects settled to its position

1039
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,920
10 to 15 feet above the ground it turned

1040
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,500
to an intense bright white light which

1041
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,480
illuminated the field and surrounding

1042
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,640
area as well as the interior of his car

1043
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:28,800
he says he even spotted a couple

1044
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,079
jackrabbits in the pasture however the

1045
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,880
light was so bright that he had to turn

1046
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:35,040
his head away and close his eyes because

1047
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,750
now other officers saw something else

1048
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:44,339
red and green that could have been the

1049
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,099
same object it looks and sounds from the

1050
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:49,800
story absolutely absolutely phenomenal

1051
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:51,240
and you know that that's one of the

1052
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:52,859
great things about looking at these old

1053
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:55,500
newsletters is you get sort of a glimpse

1054
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:58,380
of these cases that you might not uh you

1055
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:01,500
might not be aware of otherwise and a

1056
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,760
lot of times these are these are really

1057
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:04,619
fascinating and a lot of these do end up

1058
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:07,260
in the books that the lorenzins will uh

1059
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,000
will write a lot of those the the

1060
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:10,920
content of those books is recalled from

1061
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:13,260
the reports they got in the bulletin of

1062
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:16,440
course but these old newsletters really

1063
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:19,980
are a treasure Trove for all kinds of

1064
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:22,020
all kinds of things so there's another

1065
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:25,319
interesting story here occupants cited

1066
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,819
in Australia and I assume these are

1067
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,920
occupants of a UFO and not just

1068
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:31,560
occupants of I don't know a car or

1069
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:36,829
the Queensland edition of the Australian

1070
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:39,780
for July 22nd 1972 carried a short

1071
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,160
mention of the sighting of what was

1072
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,680
referred to as six aliens near kurabi

1073
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,540
Queensland in the early morning of July

1074
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:47,700
19th the witness was allegedly very

1075
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:49,619
frightened and confided in his wife who

1076
00:45:53,170 --> 00:45:51,420
called The Flying Saucer research Bureau

1077
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:53,180
in Brisbane and related the information

1078
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,500
after the short mention appeared in the

1079
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,359
press the man called The Bureau himself

1080
00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:00,000
and related the following at about 2 A.M

1081
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,040
on the morning of the 19th he was on his

1082
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:03,839
way to work and went at kurabi not far

1083
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,880
from Kirby's settlement he became aware

1084
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,859
of about six objects on the passenger

1085
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,200
side of the road the six objects became

1086
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,420
figures as he approached they were a

1087
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,300
soft gray in color and as he came even

1088
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:17,040
closer five of the figures turned away

1089
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,079
the remaining ones stepped out toward

1090
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,660
the road and put out his hand the

1091
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:23,280
witness tried to determine the features

1092
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,660
of the remaining figure and was

1093
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,339
surprised to see that although he was

1094
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,560
not helmeted his face was covered with a

1095
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:30,960
sort of faceted covering he compared the

1096
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:33,240
face to a diamond coming to a point and

1097
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:35,220
with no features visible

1098
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,839
the man had been traveling about 45

1099
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:39,119
miles per hour when he first decided the

1100
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,980
figures but after seeing the faceless

1101
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,960
figure and spotting a large solid

1102
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,700
silvery object on the opposite side of

1103
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,800
the road adjacent to or possibly

1104
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,900
touching the power lines he accelerated

1105
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:50,700
his car and got away as quickly as he

1106
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,680
could at the place where the object was

1107
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:54,540
seen our new high tension power lines

1108
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:56,819
during the sighting the man said he kept

1109
00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:58,380
hearing a strange noise when she could

1110
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:04,490
it gradually faded out as he proceeded

1111
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,359
along the road but he could still hear

1112
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,099
it when he arrived at kurabi railway

1113
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,500
station the foregoing information was

1114
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,720
furnished by April member Lindsay McKeon

1115
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:14,760
and we hope to make direct contact with

1116
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,569
and we're still a year away from the

1117
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,859
so-called year of the humanoids that is

1118
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:25,200
an absolutely fascinating story I love

1119
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:28,920
the faceted diamond-like

1120
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:33,540
lack of face on the head that is that's

1121
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:35,339
actually chilling that's that's kind of

1122
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,619
chilling and I can see why the guy tried

1123
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,260
to get away that's not the only story

1124
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,420
from Australia that we would see in the

1125
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:45,839
July and August 1972 issue of the Opera

1126
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,089
on June 25th 1972 at 12 50 PM a small

1127
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,200
UFO was alleged to have left the ground

1128
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,780
and joined a large delta-shaped craft or

1129
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,819
the Sand Hills near Melville Western

1130
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,160
Australia near Perth professional

1131
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:04,020
photographer Graham Harris reported that

1132
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,940
he had been covering a rough country car

1133
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:07,859
test and stopped for lunch when his

1134
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,960
driver Peter Lynn let out a yell from

1135
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,000
the top of the Sandhill upon looking up

1136
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:15,000
he and Lynn saw a small dark object rise

1137
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:16,680
from the ground into the sky toward a

1138
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,359
delta-shaped craft cruising slowly

1139
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:20,880
overhead Harris said the operation was

1140
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,220
quote just like a lunar module rejoining

1141
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,619
its Mothership end quote in immediately

1142
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,480
after the two craft met he said the

1143
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:29,520
larger object accelerated at a fantastic

1144
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,560
rate and disappeared within moments

1145
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,540
Harris claimed he managed to photograph

1146
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,760
it just as it zoomed away but its speed

1147
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:37,560
was so great that even though his camera

1148
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:39,900
photographs three frames per second it

1149
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:42,119
was gone by the fourth frame this

1150
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,560
information was carried in the Perth

1151
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:45,780
Sunday times it is hoped that one of our

1152
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,920
Australian members or field

1153
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,960
investigators will be able to procure

1154
00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:51,540
more information and possibly a copy of

1155
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,130
I don't know about this one I I want to

1156
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,480
believe it but professional photographer

1157
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,819
I just wasn't fast enough I don't know I

1158
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,500
mean yep yep there's lots of times when

1159
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:06,780
people encounter strange things and

1160
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,940
don't sort of think to use the camera

1161
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:11,160
that is hanging around their neck or in

1162
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:13,020
the case of of most of us these days the

1163
00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:15,300
camera that is in their pocket sort of

1164
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,339
built into their their phone they don't

1165
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:19,920
think to do that but it's just such a oh

1166
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:22,440
come on moment you got the the little

1167
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:25,319
ship going up to join the the

1168
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,200
um what is it Delta shaped

1169
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,300
um Delta shaped Mothership oh that would

1170
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:32,700
have been would have been so cool to um

1171
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:35,420
to be able to be able to see that

1172
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,200
the September and October 1972 issue

1173
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,140
um actually has some really interesting

1174
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,140
stories that I think would be better in

1175
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:48,540
a full episode but there is some

1176
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:50,819
interesting stuff in here

1177
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:53,660
um we had in the previous issue the

1178
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:57,900
lengthy review of uh Dr heineck's book

1179
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,119
um and there's uh there's a news blurb

1180
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,400
about heinek's book the long-awaited

1181
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,260
book by Dr jail and heineck is in its

1182
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:06,480
second edition and selling well we urge

1183
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,700
all apro members to obtain or at least

1184
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:11,099
read a copy as it not only presents Dr

1185
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,420
heineck's version of the Air Force

1186
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,940
involvement in UFO studies but defines

1187
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,740
and discusses his whole the whole UFO

1188
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,440
question and proposes methods of

1189
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:22,800
investigation and study

1190
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,020
um and it goes on to sort of sort of you

1191
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:26,880
know have some blurbs from various

1192
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:30,060
reviews it's it's very interesting that

1193
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,980
uh that it's not that's not the right

1194
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:33,780
word it's very cool that we're sort of

1195
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,599
here as Dr heinek's book which I think

1196
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:38,460
most of us who've been into this for a

1197
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,099
long time have encountered in one way or

1198
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:42,720
another to sort of see it when it was

1199
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:46,020
new and and very exciting to people but

1200
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,640
there are some cases in here that are

1201
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:50,700
pretty interesting but really I don't

1202
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,680
know I the more I read them the more I

1203
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:54,900
was like oh I kind of would rather work

1204
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,140
that into a different episode about

1205
00:51:04,130 --> 00:50:59,760
sightings of that particular

1206
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,140
type so instead of the 1962 occupants

1207
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,680
case it talks about or the um South

1208
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:10,079
Africa flap we do need to do a South

1209
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:13,559
Africa episode or discs over Brazil

1210
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:16,740
I'm going to share with you a an article

1211
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:19,680
that has the the Intriguing headline who

1212
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,650
at approximately 2 30 a.m on August 25th

1213
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,119
1972 a young man who identified himself

1214
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,400
as Steve Cleveland a carnival worker of

1215
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:35,280
Eau Claire Wisconsin called WLS radio in

1216
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:38,099
Chicago Illinois and talked to Gil gross

1217
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,960
Cleveland claimed he was sitting on his

1218
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,640
suitcase outside of Fort Atkinson

1219
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,500
Wisconsin hoping to hitch a ride North

1220
00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:45,480
to Eau Claire the essence of his story

1221
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:47,220
was that a huge ship came down in the

1222
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,380
adjacent field two beings about five

1223
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:52,020
feet tall got out took soil samples got

1224
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,640
back into the ship and then lifted off

1225
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,440
he claimed that he watched the object

1226
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,140
for 15 minutes apro has been attempting

1227
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,059
to find this Mr Cleveland if he does

1228
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:02,099
exist there is the possibility that

1229
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:03,780
someone heard of the falter stack case

1230
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:06,180
and decided to pull a little hoax the

1231
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:07,800
only Cleveland listing in the Eau Claire

1232
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:10,140
area is not an assigned number so he ran

1233
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:12,300
into a dead end there inquiries in the

1234
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,980
area were made to schools and colleges

1235
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,619
but with no results it is possible that

1236
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:18,780
if Steve Cleveland exists at all he may

1237
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,579
be a young man who moves around from

1238
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:22,619
time to time that Eau Claire may be

1239
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:24,900
where he originated any member who has

1240
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,760
any idea of how to locate Mr Cleveland

1241
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:28,920
should get in touch with headquarters as

1242
00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:30,900
soon as possible although only a

1243
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,819
one-witness case the details indicate

1244
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:35,040
that a thorough investigation should be

1245
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:41,329
oh please don't fall for this please

1246
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:43,260
don't fall for this akarni calling

1247
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,180
himself Steve Cleveland

1248
00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:48,000
said all this stuff on a radio show in

1249
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:49,319
Chicago

1250
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,440
no no I don't think this is going to go

1251
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,240
anywhere but I do love the sort of Hail

1252
00:52:59,170 --> 00:52:57,180
Mary sort of move of of saying if any of

1253
00:53:02,329 --> 00:52:59,180
you out there know Steve Cleveland

1254
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:02,339
please get in touch I just think that's

1255
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:03,780
that's kind of

1256
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,260
I don't know folksy is it foxy I don't

1257
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:09,839
know I that's the thing about apro

1258
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,599
um it just seems like a very

1259
00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:16,079
cozy operation and I know that that from

1260
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:18,839
things I've read uh particularly

1261
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:22,500
um Jim Mosley's Memoir Coral Laurens and

1262
00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:25,380
was not a cozy person she could be a bit

1263
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,339
a bit bit flinty and and sharp and a bit

1264
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,160
um a very much

1265
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:35,700
um insisting upon herself but

1266
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,040
um she was a woman in the UFO field in

1267
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:40,500
the 50s and 60s and 70s you you've got a

1268
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:41,579
sort of

1269
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,240
around if you want to uh if you want to

1270
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:47,339
be be part of that part of that scene

1271
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:51,180
and um I let's look we're there at the

1272
00:53:58,130 --> 00:53:53,700
end so let's look at the November and

1273
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:58,140
December 1972 issue of the apro bulletin

1274
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:00,359
the big headline on the front page

1275
00:54:06,849 --> 00:54:03,660
incident at Nogales Arizona was the

1276
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:06,859
early morning hours of August 20th 1972

1277
00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:10,319
and a local school teacher encountered

1278
00:54:18,349 --> 00:54:16,609
this is Helen Sutherland a teacher in

1279
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,359
the public school system at Nogales was

1280
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:20,460
awakened by an unearthly howl from her

1281
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:22,920
white samoyed dog who was outside the

1282
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,619
house in the back patio she laid in bed

1283
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,720
watching a strange bluish silver light

1284
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:29,640
which illuminated the curtains of the

1285
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:32,099
bedroom window the dog continued to howl

1286
00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:33,540
so she went outside to see what was

1287
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,819
wrong going through the kitchen she

1288
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:38,160
reached the side door stepped out and

1289
00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:39,900
was immediately aware of a peculiar

1290
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,819
droning sound which sounded as though it

1291
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,680
came from above and from some distance

1292
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,020
when she looked up into the sky she saw

1293
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:48,000
an oval-shaped light source which

1294
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,800
appeared to be the source of a cone of

1295
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:52,079
bluish silvery light which bathed the

1296
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:54,180
main section of the city she described

1297
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,099
it as being like a flashlight shining

1298
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:58,559
down on the ground it kept flashing off

1299
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,839
and on and the light from it gave cars

1300
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:02,760
and tops of houses a sort of iridescent

1301
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:04,980
glow as if they were themselves giving

1302
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,380
off the light this Sutherland estimated

1303
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,359
that the light flashed on and off eight

1304
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,220
to ten times and that she watched it for

1305
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:13,680
approximately 30 minutes her dog had

1306
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:15,420
quieted down when she came out and she

1307
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:16,980
was able to observe it closely for that

1308
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:19,079
period of time although she cannot

1309
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,180
pinpoint the exact time she said that

1310
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,280
the kitchen clock read 2 30 at one time

1311
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:25,440
when she glanced at it but does not know

1312
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,300
if it was when she came out of the house

1313
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:29,640
or when she re-entered it after the

1314
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:31,260
30-minute observation the lights at

1315
00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:33,660
Nogales suddenly went out and Sutherland

1316
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:39,950
there were other witnesses as well Marco

1317
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:43,500
Flores was a 22 year old nightclub owner

1318
00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:47,099
and he was called the house and seller a

1319
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,380
nightclub for young people in Nogales

1320
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:52,500
and he heard a strange humming sound and

1321
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:56,099
saw a lighted area a quarter mile in

1322
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:59,520
diameter there was another story

1323
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:01,980
um or another another witness John

1324
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:03,420
Gleason an employee of the telephone

1325
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:08,160
company saw a ball of fire and Consuelo

1326
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:10,020
Corrales Secretary of Sacred Heart

1327
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:13,140
Parish Nogales was another witness she

1328
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:14,280
said that her husband saw something

1329
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:16,440
flashing and woke her up they looked out

1330
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,880
their bedroom window and there was a

1331
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,440
silver color which she said was a silver

1332
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:21,780
colored rainbow or Halo of light

1333
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:23,940
directly east and quite close to their

1334
00:56:29,049 --> 00:56:25,800
house which lit up the surrounding

1335
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:29,059
terrain so there are a number of

1336
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,420
witnesses to uh to this uh to this

1337
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:35,520
adventure that's not the right word but

1338
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:36,480
um there had been a power plant

1339
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:39,000
explosion close to the time the object

1340
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:40,680
was seen

1341
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:43,380
um the the lorensons examine that

1342
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:46,440
possibility that um that there had been

1343
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:49,500
some effect from the power plant

1344
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:51,059
explosion

1345
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,460
um one of the plant managers at uh there

1346
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:55,140
at the power plant said that there were

1347
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:57,300
helicopters around and so people might

1348
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,099
have seen the helicopters that were

1349
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:01,200
lighting the ground around the explosion

1350
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:02,220
and fire

1351
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,300
um they might have seen some

1352
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,579
conversation of those things

1353
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:07,680
um I think it's likely that that some

1354
00:57:10,270 --> 00:57:08,940
kind of

1355
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:10,280
um

1356
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,800
some kind of thing is is is connected to

1357
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:15,359
the power failure the Laurens don't

1358
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:18,599
think so but I mean what do I know I

1359
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:20,339
wasn't there but uh it's it's

1360
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,780
interesting it's it's a it's a good

1361
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,240
story and again multiple um multiple

1362
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,359
Witnesses in uh in in this case again

1363
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,280
this is an issue that spends a lot of

1364
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,680
time probably about a third of its um of

1365
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:33,599
its coverage on

1366
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,540
um on a book review in this case UFOs a

1367
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:39,119
scientific debate by Carl Sagan and

1368
00:57:42,049 --> 00:57:40,740
Thornton page from Cornell University

1369
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:42,059
press

1370
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:45,180
um that's another sort of uh sort of

1371
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,020
classic

1372
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,540
um and uh the um the best line for the

1373
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:50,940
review is with few exceptions the book

1374
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:53,880
is most readable that's really with my

1375
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:55,740
books all I really hope is that that

1376
00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:57,420
somebody says you know what this was

1377
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:00,599
this was able to be read uh this was

1378
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:04,680
very readable so that's kind of a trip

1379
00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:08,880
through 1972 in UFO land at least

1380
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:12,119
Through The Eyes of the apro the April

1381
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:13,200
Bulletin

1382
00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:15,059
and what I think sort of jumps out at me

1383
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:17,099
about this and this was again a whole

1384
00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:19,020
year of newsletters is there were some

1385
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:20,819
interesting cases

1386
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:23,160
um not always ones that we have heard of

1387
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:25,319
and not ones that that you can really do

1388
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:27,180
much with this is an interesting story

1389
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:29,220
we don't know what happened we don't

1390
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:30,780
really have a way to go back and find

1391
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:33,180
more information but here it is put it

1392
00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:34,859
in the computer put it in the filing

1393
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:37,559
cabinet we will cross-reference it

1394
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:40,859
um at an appropriate time if we uh if we

1395
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:44,220
can or or if we uh if we have to

1396
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,619
um and uh I think one thing another

1397
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:47,760
thing that's interesting about about

1398
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,359
this year is I think I mean maybe I'm

1399
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:53,760
not uh not picking up on something but

1400
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,099
it seems almost like the biggest story

1401
00:59:08,270 --> 00:58:58,619
was

1402
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:08,280
on the board of this this Inquirer award

1403
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,420
thing

1404
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:11,760
um and heinek was no longer doing the

1405
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:13,140
doing the Air Force Consulting for blue

1406
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:16,200
book because Blue Book was gone by 72 we

1407
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:18,119
are we are well and truly a couple years

1408
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,299
into the sort of wilderness years for

1409
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,000
ufology in the 1970s and early 1980s

1410
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,119
that period after sort of the the Air

1411
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:29,700
Force investigation debunking

1412
00:59:34,849 --> 00:59:31,740
with blue book that era comes to an end

1413
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:34,859
with uh with with the um

1414
00:59:40,730 --> 00:59:37,859
the the Condon sorry the condom

1415
00:59:42,849 --> 00:59:40,740
committee report and then um you've got

1416
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,859
this and things pick up again

1417
00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:45,119
unfortunately in the 80s when you've got

1418
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:47,900
mj-12 and Roswell and the abduction

1419
00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:51,180
phenomenon sort of becoming in quotes

1420
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,460
the abduction phenomenon that we all

1421
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:56,880
sort of know and love or loathe as the

1422
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,920
case may be but during the 1970s you've

1423
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,520
got interesting cases you've got

1424
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,319
interesting sightings of strange things

1425
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,480
that don't match things that came before

1426
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:08,880
or really things that came after this is

1427
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:11,640
the decade of the humanoids as not just

1428
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,839
the year of the humanoids it's the

1429
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:14,880
decade of the humanoids in a lot of ways

1430
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:17,579
this is where we get Pascagoula which

1431
01:00:23,289 --> 01:00:20,280
I know it's an abduction sort of thing

1432
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,299
but it's also kind of a weird humanoid

1433
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,400
occupant case as well

1434
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,359
um we've got uh we've got the diamond

1435
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:32,520
faceted-faced creatures in Australia it

1436
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,740
is a very interesting time and uh it's

1437
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:39,720
it's I think really one of the most

1438
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:42,900
low-key fascinating periods of ufology

1439
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:46,079
the 1970s because you've you've got sort

1440
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:47,940
of the Air Force out of the way things

1441
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,799
are getting a little bit weird you've

1442
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,839
got Jacque Valley writing more books

1443
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:53,460
you've got

1444
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:55,740
um a wider variety of cases than you've

1445
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:58,440
seen before but

1446
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:01,859
um not uh not not

1447
01:01:07,549 --> 01:01:05,280
easily debunkable sort of contactee

1448
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:07,559
style things you've got genuine

1449
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:10,980
weirdness and some Cults of course and

1450
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:12,780
you've gotten search of with Leonard

1451
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:15,960
Nimoy so a fascinating time and I think

1452
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:18,720
going through uh the Opera bulletin for

1453
01:01:24,589 --> 01:01:21,180
1972 gives us a

1454
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:24,599
good idea of what uh what that decade

1455
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,349
thank you for listening remember to send

1456
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:37,920
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1457
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:39,480
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1458
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:41,099
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1459
01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:43,500
time our associate producer is Simpson J

1460
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:45,540
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1461
01:01:52,750 --> 01:01:48,720
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1462
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:52,760
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1463
01:02:03,109 --> 01:01:58,260
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1464
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:03,119
this year in fact December of 2022 is

1465
01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:06,420
the 30th anniversary of chiso media

1466
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:10,440
which was formerly chiso records and it

1467
01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:13,559
is a a fascinating thing to to sit and

1468
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:17,400
reflect on 30 years of

1469
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,059
really not doing much more than some

1470
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:23,160
really weird stuff in high school and

1471
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:25,020
college and

1472
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,160
um and then this podcast but uh she's a

1473
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:32,160
media 30 years of

1474
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,220
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